Clutch tips....

[imported_z3usX5]

Anyone got got tips on clutch set-ups. This is a very important part of the power delivery so i know we got some tips to share??

Anyone sand the inside of the bell to get the shoes something to hook up to?
What is the best clutch for you?


I lke the mugen carbon and 1.0 springs but they waer fast. I am running and like alot the Fioroni turbo.

[J_Bone]

The best tip I have recieved is, run 2 carbon shoes with 1.0 springs and one Aluminum shoe with 1.0 sping. It works great! You get the some performance of the aluminum shoe and the reliability and less wear and tear of the carbon ones. 90% of the Pros do it too. I know, they get them for free, but it works and it last.

[imported_z3usX5]

You know what.....That is the 2-3rd time i have been told that....I may just try thi to see how it works.
Ill let you know.

[J_Bone]

I know how it works.... :buttrock: :buttrock: :0pouce:

[scoobie]

It works great...the alum shoe, scuffs and deglazes the clutch bell, and the clutch bell scuffs and deglazes the carbon shoes. Its a really good setup....anyone who hasnt tried it needs to give it a shot. Its worth it

[rubber side up]

i use mugen alloy shoes with 1mm springs, but will be getting the team orion crf (i think) clutch as soon as my lhs can get one in :)

[TWeatherholt]

Guys also try the new Dynamite Platinum Series Aluminum shoes, We did alot of preproduction testing with these shoes and they outlast any other aluminum shoe by atleast 3 time and they work very very well. They are made from a special impregnated aluminum and different from anything else.

[AZRCaddict]

I use the Team Losi Clutch Tool (http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/cPath/89_139/products_id/4663) and it works wonders. And for $5.99 it's a must for anyone in nitro.

[rjmods.net]

im going to try a werks clutch.i here people say there not good but they never had one.they seem like they would be good for a low bite track ?
but with adj.only prob. there $ :cry:

[beni]

I run the werks clutch in my LST racer with 2 rulon, and 2 carbon shoes, with the medium spring. It is great. The only problem I had was the LST clutch bell is a weird size. I had to get a spiecal made bell that has a sleave sweated inside to make it normal I.D.
Good luck with yours.

[rjmods.net]

ok sold. im getting one.

[scoobie]

If your looking for ultimate adjustibility, the Werks clutch is great. But they do have their little quirks...if you dont do everything just right, the adjustment nut will move around on you.

[AZRCaddict]

How often do you guys change your clutches?

[scoobie]

Depends on what setup Im running. If its all carbons, I know I can get about half a gallon+ through it before it needs attention. When I do pull it Ill do the bearings, blow the dust off the shoes spray them with a little nitro cleaner (or denatured alcohol), clean out and scrub the clutch bell and go for another half gallon or so...

[beni]

That's true the adjustment nut on the werks clutch will back off if you don't use locktite. I use a blue jell.

[rjmods.net]

thanks but not shure if ill get one if there like that.that would drive me crazy taking off the clutch bell to fix .or loosens when racing hmmmm. i think ill get a 4 shoe 2alu.2 carbon.

[scoobie]

I have a Fioroni Turbo Slider in my truggy. I have about 4 gallons on it...Ive used two sets of bearings in 4 gallons and thats it!!!! The shoes still look like new and with the new Twin Turbo shoes and hard springs, you can fine tune the engagement to suit any condition.

[rjmods.net]

ill check that out who sells them

[z3usX5]

What do you like better scoobie?
Fioroni Turbo or mugen 3 shoe

I have both and run the mugen 3 shoe. The Fioroni Turbo is in the tool box. I still have not tried the i alum 2 carbon trick yet..... do you still run the 1.0 springs on all 3 also?

[scoobie]

Which Fio shoe set did you get, standard or twin? What didnt you like about it?

I liked the Moogen clutch on my truggy, but the carbon shoes (never ran alum) seemed to wear out pretty fast....I never experimented with different shoe/springs on it either...its in my box, waiting for a good home, 2 sets of NIP springs, 13&14 tooth c/b's, Ive used maybe 6 sets of carbon shoes on it. Wanna Trade???

[z3usX5]

i would trade but i got 2 new sets of the mugen setup too, from my new r kit and one i bought for spares.

[AZRCaddict]

Springs...

Heavier springs = Later RPM engagement = More snap (Quickness)

[BIG RED]

I've never tried any of the fancy-pants werks or fioroni clutches, but I love me some mugen aluminum shoes:thumbs:

[AZRCaddict]

I'm going to run the silver aluminum jammin shoes all around now. The Jammin pros at the track are running them and they get pretty good wear.

Should for $25 bucks! I like it though.

[BIG RED]

they are about 2mm longer than the kyosho and mugen shoes though, so they engage way too early on kyoshos or mugens, I found that out after I bought them and drilled out the holes to fit in the kyosho flywheel pins

[z3usX5]

I got a tip! Dont install the shoes backwards! :D :rolleyes:

[MAXIMUM777]

m2c clutches best with long life.

[Aspired]

I use the Team Losi Clutch Tool (http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/cPath/89_139/products_id/4663) and it works wonders. And for $5.99 it's a must for anyone in nitro.

It's late but thanks, just bought one!

[z3usX5]

Ok, im running the 2 carbon 1 alum. But it seems the same to me..... What should i be looking for in the advantage?

[scoobie]

more agressive engagement...but its only a slight difference. It also helps keep the clutch more consistent, because the carbon shoes dont glaze up. If you want more snap, put a 1.1 spring on the aluminum shoe, or try two alum. one carbon...

[JohnCary]

I've been thinking about the whole multi shoe system in regards to the carbon and aluminum mix up. 1st off it seems like a grand idea but I think in a 3 shoe setup it might cause more harm than good. reason being..the carbon shoes have a different weight/mass to them so pending on the springs your running they are probably going to engage sooner than an aluminum shoe. Generally you run lighter springs with a carbon clutch than you do with the aluminum due to the weight/mass of the shoes. a 3 shoe carbon clutch with firm springs will engage later than a aluminum clutch with the same springs. well think about what that does. Your applying load on 1 or two points (depending on running a 2 carbon or 1 carbon setup) of the inside of the clutch bell rather than an equal 3 point engagment. That load being applied is also applying more stress on the clutch bearings because its pretty much wanting to lift that point of the clutch bell up which is then loading the bearings. Think of an egg and how its eccentic shaped, now apply that idea to a 3 shoe carbon/aluminum clutch.

Carbon shoes do offer a great benefit, which allowing for a smooth power engagment rather than the SNAP of aluminum. Running a carbon/aluminum clutch makes perfect sense but not in a 3 shoe design. A 4 shoe however has a much better ability to pull this design off without causing excessive harm to the clutch bearings if the shoes are placed opposite of one another.

My 2 cents.

[z3usX5]

good point.....

[J_Bone]

I hear what your saying, but I have not seen one problem with running this combo. There are guys at the track that have tons of gallons burned through there engines with the 2 carbon/1 aluminum shoes and no need for a new front bearing.

With the same springs, the 2 carbon shoes engage a hair before Aluminum one will. Most people can't notice the engagement time of the two different shoes.
It's not the timing that is different, it's the material.
It's the fact the carbons slip more while the aluminum grips more and will de-glaze the bell to keep better performance when the carbons get hot.

[JohnCary]

I'm not saying its not a bad idea. I applaud the concept but the fact still remains that the mixing up of clutch shoes in a 3 shoe design can pose a potentional problem leading to accelerated wear in the bearings. The other thing is this. once all three shoes engage its probably not a issue. I guess it all really boils down to the driver and the track. On a wide open big track it might not be a big deal because all of the pads will be fully engaged more often resulting in equal contact. On a small tight track though i can see it causing more harm then good due to constantly having to get on and off the gas in such short high burst intervals.
You can compensate for this difference by droping down one spring rate for the carbon shoes.
If you notice on the Losi 8 kit even though its a 4 shoe design they still suggest running different springs for both the carbon and aluminum. If your running the 2 carbon and 2 aluminum and you want a light clutch the .040 with 25deg on the aluminum shoes and the .040 with the 30deg on the carbon shoes. This deg change helps to compensate for the weight difference between the two different shoe compounds.

[J_Bone]

My track use to be a short track with switchbacks so you were on and off the throttle. I haven't seen any I'll effects from it. Even with a few guys getting over 10 gallons with the combo. :confused:
That is a fact and proven idea, not just a theory, that it works and doesn't hurt the bearings by the time you actually wear out the piston and sleeve, and some additional piston and sleeves after rebuilding or just re-pinching.

[scoobie]

I had been running the 2carb 1alum setup with 1.0 for over a year...as per Paul Kings advice with no probs whatsoever.

[JohnCary]

I'm just sayin..thats all. Besides, ya'll are all wrong b/c you don't run a losi with a 4 shoe clutch!! HAHAH LOL!

[J_Bone]

Besides, ya'll are all wrong b/c you don't run a losi with a 4 shoe clutch!! HAHAH LOL!
Thank GOD!:winner:

[scoobie]

Ok, im running the 2 carbon 1 alum. But it seems the same to me..... What should i be looking for in the advantage?

this was thequestion....:blbl: No mention of slo$i

[J_Bone]

this was thequestion....:blbl: No mention of slo$i
You get smoother engagement with the carbon shoes which makes it more controllable and doesn't break the tires loose as easily as Aluminum. But carbons glaze up the bell and make it too slick which causes more slippage and sluggish acceleration. Using a aluminum shoe help keep the clutch bell from glazing up and keeps the consistency of the carbon shoe/bell contact (I think I mentioned that already?). It actually makes it more durable for longer races and less maintenance down the road.
There is a reason the majority of the Pro's run it that way.

[ramrod902]

we need more post like this one it was a good learning material

[LUV DA AIR]

The best tip I have recieved is, run 2 carbon shoes with 1.0 springs and one Aluminum shoe with 1.0 sping. It works great! You get the some performance of the aluminum shoe and the reliability and less wear and tear of the carbon ones. 90% of the Pros do it too. I know, they get them for free, but it works and it last.Here is my expirience with this set up. I am probably what you would call a clutch junkie, anyone who has raced with me and they will agree. I have ran this set up before, and was amazed. It is very aggressive and snappy. This is what I will run till come across something better. I like a really agressive clutch though. Some pepole dont. I like to be able to clear most jumps with no more than five foot from a dead stop. This set up is really aggressive and has a nice controled launch out of the corner. I have ran this set up since spring 06.

2 Carbons and 1 Alumi FTMFW!

[BoogeyMan]

Fioroni "Vario" 3 Shoe Adjustable Clutch System ? Or The Twin Turbo Slider Now ?

[Zipper]

Good Read !

Any updates that could be added to this ?

ETA: 1.0 springs 2 carbon 1 alum myself.

[Zipper]

Kyosho 777 clutch springs will work on an Xray 808 :ah1: