New Kyosho MP9

[gatermaxx]

Definately more going on here than light uni's and big bores....

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/kyoshoinfernomp9-1.jpg
MORE PICS ADDED HERE... (http://www.nitroaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3300)

This strange looking car is in fact the all new Inferno MP9 from Kyosho, the car that the company is confident can defend its World crown in the US this summer. The car, which is obviously still in prototype phase, was shown at this weeks Shizuoka hobby show in Japan, and to cover the parts that they want to keep secret they made this rather cool looking bodyshell. No further details are known, but have a look at the pictures and draw your own conclusions.

MORE PICS ADDED HERE... (http://www.nitroaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3300)

[RC_KAOS]

What happened to the MP8? Or is there to many other 1/8 buggies out there with 8 in their name

[scoobie]

I think thats it Kaos...too many 8 designations in the new buggy names...

heres the flyer from buggy-sport
http://www.buggy-sport.info/images/galerie/pics/2154_masters.jpeg

[gatermaxx]

The number 8 has bad juju when naming a buggy, look at the problems the 8ight had initially, and the initial problems with the RC8, both have pretty much been fixed, but I would liken it to those Capt's on Deadliest Catch, they won't leave port on a Friday, bad things happen.
I am surprised the xray has not had more issues, JUST from using the 8 in the name...(no slam on xray here)

[scoobie]

I saw someone refer to the new xray as the BOB...LOL

[gatermaxx]

yeah, that was funny

[gatermaxx]

http://www.kyoshofrance.com/fr/k-mag/technique/MP-9/vignettes/IMGP5886.jpg

http://www.kyoshofrance.com/fr/k-mag/technique/MP-9/vignettes/IMGP5884.jpg

http://www.kyoshofrance.com/fr/k-mag/technique/MP-9/vignettes/IMGP5887.jpg

http://www.kyoshofrance.com/fr/k-mag/technique/MP-9/vignettes/IMGP5888.jpg

http://www.kyoshofrance.com/fr/k-mag/technique/MP-9/vignettes/IMGP5890.jpg

[scoobie]

http://www.nitroaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24375#post24375

[gatermaxx]

Hopefully this weekend we will get to see much more of this car.:rock:

[gatermaxx]

There is a place that has the MP9 for pre-sale (inferno only, or something like that), they have the price listed as $769, and will adjust the price as needed, although there is no part number or price set yet. I guess there are over 100 pre-sold. Ryan Lutz said the first shipment should be very large, but did not give a date.

[scoobie]

he also said to hang on to your jaw, cause when you see the price its likely to hit the floor!!!

That scares me, cause when you think of the price of the WC kit when it first came out, and all the things that have been added to the MP9 (cnc knuckles, BB's, light uni's to name a few) the new kit is going to be SPENDY...

But Im still getting one

[gatermaxx]

Mark Pavidis just finished building his MP9 last night, a few of the team cars have landed...

[JohnCary]

Yup, the team guys have been starting to build their new rigs. I'm hoping a few might grace the stage at this weekends JBRL in Beaumont at Thunder Alley. The new MP9 is DIALED!!!!

[AZRCaddict]

The new MP9 is DIALED!!!!
Even though only a select few have driven them:blbl:

[scoobie]

John, Pavidis, King and Lutz will have their MP9's there this weekend.

btw Cody, John hasnt driven it...BUT he did get to sit down with Kanai and go through the car with him. So other than the team drivers, he has more hands on experience with the car than most.

[porkchop]

lutzzzzz testing his mp9

[scoobie]

At the JBRL race this weekend, the MP9 went 2-3-4

Top 4 were drake, king, lutz, pavidis...not sure where truhe finished, but the KTeam kept him off the podium! Apparently king had 1st wrapped up tight, but got taken out by lapped traffic in the closing minutes of the race. Things are lookin good for the Red Army!

I know John Cary was there, so maybe he can chime in with more detail about the race...and more importantly how the car looked on the track.

[voodoo427]

guess he didnt have it wrapped up tight enough :D truhe was 5th..

[AZRCaddict]

Truhe had no practice at all, his first lap on the track was his first round qualifier.

[cheesecake]

truhe has been running his car for 2+ years king lutz and pavidas have probably 1/10000000 of the time on ther cars that truhe and drake have i say kyosho might have themselves a fast car :thumbs:

[AZRCaddict]

Yup

[NeoBart]

Even if drake switched to a K-car, I would still be running Losi.

[gatermaxx]

Them guys are all fast regardless, put that buggy in my hands to see if it is worthy...

[Grasshopper]

I'm with Gatermaxx : Those guys could win with a yard sale buggy. Let the average Joe take it for a spin and then be the judge.

I'll be happy to help anyone out with this, a non-bias, honest opinion, ..... just send me the K-buggy! :thumbs:

[gatermaxx]

I wouldn't mind getting one after the price drop abotu 5 months after the release (just like the ST-R and the ST-RR dropped, and most every other buggy and truggy on the market). I might get to see one in action here next weekend...

[Goose]

One of the local kyosho drivers got his and was running it this weekend, it looked pretty good except in the whoops section. it almost looked like a pancake going around the track because of how low the center of gravity is.

[rjmods.net]

But everything is good on the buggy no need for upgrades light drive train low cg smooth and tons of torq .im getting one but not now. ill let the crack heads spend 850 and in 2 months ill get mine. 650:thumbs:

[porkchop]

:thinking: :D

[JohnCary]

So I recently got a MP9, has anyone been running one and what seems to be working on the rig?

[porkchop]

So I recently got a MP9, has anyone been running one and what seems to be working on the rig?
yes i been runing the car and cody world set up with 3 in the rear diff is the best thing i have drove. also use tebo shock set up and you be good but make sure you use cody droop as tebo is screwed up

[nova24]

over rated and over priced, smoked by an rc8:rctruck:

[Dave D]

So I recently got a MP9, has anyone been running one and what seems to be working on the rig?

Here is Tyler Viks set-up for just about everywhere he runs.
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600 shock oil
1.2 8 hole piston (black)
4000 diff oil
shock position- inside on arm, middle on tower
inside camber link on c-hub
yellow springs
caster with bushing hole down (max caster)
wide track width
all caster clips in front of upper arm
ride height- bones slightly below level
1* toe out
98mm shock length

-Center-
6000 diff oil
13/46 gearing
1.0 springs and all aluminum shoes

-Rear-
450 oil
purple springs
bones slightly below level
1.3 x 8 hole pistons (white)
shock position, inside on arm, middle on tower
camber link inside on hub, inside on tower, 2nd hole up
wheelbase, 2mm back
3 degree rear toe, bushing upside down (so that the 3 is upside down)
2 degree anti squat
2000 diff oil
wide track width
127mm shock length

[JohnCary]

http://www.nitroaddicts.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=121&pictureid=769

A work in progress. I'll have more photos up shortly.

[JohnCary]

More Images:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/logicbike/MP9_01.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/logicbike/MP9_02.jpg


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/logicbike/MP9_04.jpg

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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/logicbike/MP9_06.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/logicbike/MP9_07.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/logicbike/MP9_09.jpg

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[pantera nitro]

Looking great John!!!

how are you enjoying it? i noticed your running some thermal tape on your tank, is that to stop fuel heating or tank melting?

and which servo's are those?

Mike

[rpm1968]

Those servos look STOUT.

I'm not a Kyosho guy so I am just asking. Were the old shocks the "big bores" that people rave about? Were they not threaded on the outside?

Car looks tough. Not mean, just tough.

[rpm1968]

come on, I went to the us ko propo site, couldn't find the servos. Struggled with the asian site, still no servos.

where are they?

[pantera nitro]

come on, I went to the us ko propo site, couldn't find the servos. Struggled with the asian site, still no servos.

where are they?

maybe john's getting some "promo's" for working with the magazine? half his luck in any case lol

[JohnCary]

I have yet to run the car which probably isn't a good thing since I'm going to be racing the Nitro Challenge next week. I have to use the car for a studio assignment for a company and article before I get to run it. This way the car stays prestine.

The servos are KoPropo PDS-2368's with the upgraded aluminum top plates. It makes the servo a stronger and less likely to break the tabs off.

I'm running the thermal tape to help protect the fuel tank and pipe. In past i've melted a tank or two and I figured this would help stop that.

Yup, those are the new big bores without the threaded bodies. Kyosho tends to use te clips because it helps to make things more exact rather then guessing or measuring if everything is the same.

[pantera nitro]

well i guess i won't bother asking how the Sirio ran in it then lol

good luck in the Nitro Challenge bro!

look forward to hearing how you and the MP9 ran!

Mike

[JohnCary]

I've already run the engine before. Its a Kanai Evo III. Scoobie has seen it run before. Its pretty quick. Just recently I tore it all down, polished the crank, and installed Boca Ceramic bearings. I'm going to be doing the same treatment to me CL7B engine thats in my ST-RR.

[rpm1968]

thanks for the info on the servos, so sick looking and functional as well.

I like the clips. keeps things simple.

have fun in AZ.

I want to ceramic coat a set of those servo lids. easy to clean and super styley as well.

[pantera nitro]

Kanai III.... i think i've only seen the Kanai STI II run it had the green head on it from memory. had some serious power and top end on it though!

how is longevity with the Sirio's? i was looking at the Sirio .24 for my truggy but am now thinking of the Plus4 Novarossi. RB's are seriously pricey over here so i haven't even considered one of those yet and i'm not really wanting a short life top $$$ engine.

[JohnCary]

The engine has ballistic top end and now that i have installed some boca ceramics it should be even better. For the most part Sirio's are awesome power plants. I've got two of them and truthfully have nothing negative to say except for the fuel mileage. They're not that bad but they are definitely not a V-spec. I know the the King's put about 8-10 gallons thru a motor before they dicide to pull it out of a rig. I've got about 4 gallons or so thru my Evo III and there is still plenty of pinch.

If your looking for a great truggy engine get a Sirio CL7B. Its a long stroke engine which generates more bottom end torque, perfect for a truggy. The Evo III has less bottom end but a bit more top end because its a short stroke.

[BIG RED]

a losi servo horn? tisk tisk john:nono:

[JohnCary]

I know, I know. but they are one hell of a horn. way stronger then the dynamite ones. Ever since i broke one on my RC8T i've become weary about using them. I'm trying to get some of those new racers edge ones that use small screws to hold them onto the servo gear.

[pantera nitro]

the CL7B STI is $500AUS and non STI is $450 over here...... and i think the Kanai's are about $50-$70 less than that.

descisions descisions....lol

[scoobie]

the most ballistic, more power than a person could ever need (or use) in a buggy, that Ive ever seen is a CL7B sti/2013 combo....didnt get much runtime, but I guess thats the tradeoff for insane power

[porkchop]

the most insane motor i ever driven was a fusion motor sport fms 21-7 that thing was insane

[JohnCary]

Now imagine that in a truggy.... very nice!!

That engine in my truggy i get about 8 minutes out of a tank at a normal track. As for next week at the nitro challenge..... not so sure about that. The crazy thing is that CL7B makes so much power at 180-190degress that I don't want to lean it out any more. Its way too much engine for a buggy, especially the newer buggies that are light weight and aggressive.

the most ballistic, more power than a person could ever need (or use) in a buggy, that Ive ever seen is a CL7B sti/2013 combo....didnt get much runtime, but I guess thats the tradeoff for insane power

[pantera nitro]

i've been contemplating a few engines for my buggy and truggy...

buggy-

1)Axe Rossi MAMBA X1 Evolution
2) Novarossi Plus4
3) Sirio Kanai STI II (but now you've thrown the III into the mix lol)
4) JX.21 BO1A
5) or an OS speed

truggy-

1) Plus4
2) Sirio .24
3) Axe Rossi Cobra X1 .21 or the AXE ROSSI Cobra .25

hard to way them all up on performance and run time.

[nitroRCs]

Are you getting rid of the Redline mike?...not sure i agree with ya... very hard to choose out of all of theem! :P

[porkchop]

i take your list and help you out and i add a motor or to if you dont mind
buggy-

1)Axe Rossi MAMBA X1 Evolution (i read good and bad on these so i am not sure what to tell you)
2) Novarossi Plus4(i have over 2 gallons on the one in my buggy at 220 i was pushing 9.40 run time and it geting better ever tank love this thing)
3) Sirio Kanai STI II (but now you've thrown the III into the mix lol)(to many problems for me look what all the pros are doing leaving)
4) JX.21 BO1A(when you lean it out to make run time and temp it just to stiupid to drive in a buggy but to flat for truggy imo)
5) or an OS speed(way to much money get over 220 and it wont last long)

truggy-

1) Plus4(the one in my truck got about a gallon on it and it only geting better pushing 11 min if not longer easy)
2) Sirio .24(once again there team leaving)
3) Axe Rossi Cobra X1 .21 or the AXE ROSSI Cobra .25(read good and bad never seen one run evan)

you have the right buggy motor up there i was always a os guy evan if they got hot and died a lil sooner till i was offer to run for fusion motor sports in 09
i said idk what do you have that run with a vspec and jim hooked me up on 2 plus 4s to start with i am now geting better run time then my vspec ever did and i am got more power and they seem better built

also i bought a third motor the scary sob i ever drove.
the fms 21-7
i bolt in buggy just to try and ran 1/4 a tank and pull into pit lane way to much motor ever where. so i took and bolt in my truggy and the thing was still nuts my kind truck motor run with a os 28 and gets better millage

now i own 2 of them and i will be runing one in buggy when i go to place like the farm and super dusty places where i need more motor.

and yes i own way to many motorsfor my own good lol

[JohnCary]

I'm curious to know where you got your facts about the sirio engines? What problems are the team drivers complaining about to make them leave? The team isn't leaving because the engines are bad, I happen to know that first hand.

i take your list and help you out and i add a motor or to if you dont mind
buggy-

1)Axe Rossi MAMBA X1 Evolution (i read good and bad on these so i am not sure what to tell you)
2) Novarossi Plus4(i have over 2 gallons on the one in my buggy at 220 i was pushing 9.40 run time and it geting better ever tank love this thing)
3) Sirio Kanai STI II (but now you've thrown the III into the mix lol)(to many problems for me look what all the pros are doing leaving)
4) JX.21 BO1A(when you lean it out to make run time and temp it just to stiupid to drive in a buggy but to flat for truggy imo)
5) or an OS speed(way to much money get over 220 and it wont last long)

truggy-

1) Plus4(the one in my truck got about a gallon on it and it only geting better pushing 11 min if not longer easy)
2) Sirio .24(once again there team leaving)
3) Axe Rossi Cobra X1 .21 or the AXE ROSSI Cobra .25(read good and bad never seen one run evan)

you have the right buggy motor up there i was always a os guy evan if they got hot and died a lil sooner till i was offer to run for fusion motor sports in 09
i said idk what do you have that run with a vspec and jim hooked me up on 2 plus 4s to start with i am now geting better run time then my vspec ever did and i am got more power and they seem better built

also i bought a third motor the scary sob i ever drove.
the fms 21-7
i bolt in buggy just to try and ran 1/4 a tank and pull into pit lane way to much motor ever where. so i took and bolt in my truggy and the thing was still nuts my kind truck motor run with a os 28 and gets better millage

now i own 2 of them and i will be runing one in buggy when i go to place like the farm and super dusty places where i need more motor.

and yes i own way to many motorsfor my own good lol

[NeoBart]

Well last year Sirio went to far lightening their cranks, causing them to break. They just changed the manufacturing without fessing up to the problem.

[porkchop]

I'm curious to know where you got your facts about the sirio engines? What problems are the team drivers complaining about to make them leave? The team isn't leaving because the engines are bad, I happen to know that first hand.
broken cranks dont run well on anything but werks nooo run time. when ever one eles can do there main in 1 or 2 less stop then you it hurts

Well last year Sirio went to far lightening their cranks, causing them to break. They just changed the manufacturing without fessing up to the problem.
+1

[JohnCary]

So you broke two cranks?

Being in Souther California has it perks since both kyosho america and several of the sirio team drivers are based out of this area. This allows me to hear all sorts of interesting gossip about whats what and who's running what. Of all the drivers I know running those engines, none of which have experienced any problems. Now that doesn't mean that incidents don't occur. I could say something about Nova Rossi engines, especially the plus 4, and v-specs to. Every engine manufacture does run into issues once in a while. Doesn't mean the name should be slandered. I think Sirio is on the radar these days because they split from their manufacturing company of Star Motorsports to create their own factory.

[pantera nitro]

sorry i didn't mean to start an engine debate in the MP9 thread..........

but i guess as John said "there would be horror stories for every company" whether its an engine or buggy or radio people will always have good/bad experiences to tell.

and things that one person likes and another can't stand thats what keeps our hobby progressing and evolving but not always nesessarily improving lol

[nitroRCs]

its all kewl mike :D...so are u getting rid of the redline mike?

[JohnCary]

Fresh Skin for the MP9 and its starter box:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/logicbike/TRUMP9_02.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/logicbike/TRUMP9_06.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/logicbike/TRUMP9_starter_01.jpg

[pantera nitro]

Now that looks great my friend, truly unique design good work!

and Mitch i'm not getting rid of the Redline, i'm just wanting to see what else is out there. otherwise i'd never be able to have a definitive comparison of my own just other peoples opinions.

now back to the MP9, i wish they weren't so expensive over here cos i would seriously like to try one out, but for $1,200AUS i can't see that happening anytime soon.

[nitroRCs]

WOW...that much lol...probly a bit over the top i think...hey mike just have a go of someone elses :D

[porkchop]

worth ever single penny

[nitroRCs]

mmm...i dunno...ow well...thats IMO

[JohnCary]

Yes, its worth every penny. I would rather own a car that breaks less but costs more, less parts I have to carry. After building this car though, I don't want to drive it because it looks so damn good. The scary thing is that this car is way more capable then my driving ability.

WOW...that much lol...probly a bit over the top i think...hey mike just have a go of someone elses :D

[porkchop]

mmm...i dunno...ow well...thats IMO
dude when you pick a car up and your 3 sec a lap faster then your last car with a box stock set up it money i am now almost 4 sec a lap better
Yes, its worth every penny. I would rather own a car that breaks less but costs more, less parts I have to carry. After building this car though, I don't want to drive it because it looks so damn good. The scary thing is that this car is way more capable then my driving ability.
lol i was like that for a month now it all scrath up and broke in ready for outdoor

[nitroRCs]

like I said its IMO...looks like i nice buggy, but i think there are some other buggies out there that could give u 4 secs faster also that are cheaper:confused:

[porkchop]

like I said its IMO...looks like i nice buggy, but i think there are some other buggies out there that could give u 4 secs faster also that are cheaper:confused:
lol kid do you not get it i have owned
3 losi 8s
2 rc8s
1 x2cr
1 x2 cr x1x
1 777wc
1 808
1 5r
:rctruck:
the mp9 is one the best cars i ever owned

do you want the truggy list?

[Ovaloldtimer]

lol kid do you not get it i have owned
3 losi 8s
2 rc8s
1 x2cr
1 x2 cr x1x
1 777wc
1 808
1 5r
:rctruck:
the mp9 is one the best cars i ever owned

do you want the truggy list?

If its so great why didnt it do better at the worlds?
Could it be that it just has a better setup then any of the other cars it had?
Or could it be that your getting better?
Remember its not all car.

[pantera nitro]

The scary thing is that this car is way more capable then my driving ability.

well that would definately be the case for me too. i think when i get better and am somewhere near "good" i could then compliment my driving with a $800US buggy.

but if the MP9 cost $1,200US would you guys still be as willing to buy one.

[porkchop]

If its so great why didnt it do better at the worlds?
Could it be that it just has a better setup then any of the other cars it had?
Or could it be that your getting better?
Remember its not all car.
ryan broke and he beat the piss out that car the week be4 to see what would break noting he was dumb found by it breaking all week
cody beat his way into the main and could of cracked something so who knows
the fast to cars broke out so who knows

[nitroRCs]

Mike ur pretty good mate, a albion the first couple of heats were pretty badd but once u and the car got used to it u WERE FLYING!!!


...EXACTLY...dumbfound on how much it BROKE that week!!!...Also the Kyosho drivers must be pretty badd if they dont check there car for breakages or cracks ect ect before the A-main!!!

[porkchop]

reasoning with you guys is like playing in kinder garden again :confused:

[nitroRCs]

reasoning with you guys is like playing in kinder garden again :confused:

Mate, this IS a forum...EVERYBODY wants to know everybodies opinion...:nono:

[micko]

I KNOW FROM THERE PREVIOUSE MODELS THAT KYOSHO DEFINANTELY KNOW WHAT THERE DOING AND WATCHING ONE OF OUR GOOD GUYS RACING A FEW WEEKS AGO HE IS DEFINANTELY DOING ALOT BETTER WITH HIS NEW MP9!

MITCH! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR MATE AND YES ALL CARS WILL BREAK BUT NOT ALL WILL SHATTER!!!!!!:huba:

[pantera nitro]

MITCH! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR MATE AND YES ALL CARS WILL BREAK BUT NOT ALL WILL SHATTER!!!!!!:huba:

lol.....

[Ovaloldtimer]

I have seen this in other forms of racing, I seen a guy at a track I use to run go thru 6 chassis in one season, every week it was a complaint that it was always the chassis fault, he finished the season buying the most exspensive chassis on the market, the 2 chassis he had before that were new also and were sold to some guys at the track, the man showed up that weekend bragging about how much he had spent ,and then started to say things like how great it was and how much faster he would be, trying to make himself feel better, and to explain a reason why he just spent 2800.00 on a chassis, well it was a $1000.00 to win race, when it was all over I won the 1000.00 on my 2 year old chassis and the other two chassis that the man had sold were right there with me too the end, after the race I seen his son throw his helmet and again blame it on the chassis, when the whole time it was his father that wouldnt take the time to figure out the setup for what each chassis needed.
Doesnt matter how much you spend, if you dont have a setup.
Kyosho just inflated their price because they knew guys with deep pockets would buy it, and the try to reason with everyone else why they had spent soo much, when the truth is that you could of got a car for a whole lot less and spent the extra on more track time and trying different setups to suit your driving style, copying one of the internet from some pro works for him and may get you close but everyone is different

[NeoBart]

That is soo true man.


My 8-T setup is based on Truhes setup, but with some tweaks to suit my style of driving. After putting in the Flex tuned chassis, this car just got allot more on power steering.

You need some serious stick time with your car before you start tweaking it. I'm not even gonna get the 2.0 truggy this season. The org. Losi works fine for me.

As for Kyoshos being expensive....well over here it's even worse. But they do look nice.

[porkchop]

MITCH! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR MATE AND YES ALL CARS WILL BREAK BUT NOT ALL WILL SHATTER!!!!!!:huba:
dude your my hero :thumbs:

[scoobie]

While it is true that the car doesnt necesarily make the driver, the car is a huge part of the equation. Proven by Tebo's recent results since he made the move back to KYOSHO....he dominated CRCRC, and now the Pro Buggy overall TQ at the Nitro Challenge. While he could hold his own on a good day with his O'D car, he was obviously off the pace of the top tier drivers. Now that hes back with Kyosho, it appears that he is working his way back to the top where he belongs.

[JohnCary]

They did not inflate their prices just to make a few extra bucks, I know this for a fact. If anything, they are trying very hard to lower their prices on product. The deal is with the MP9 that people kept asking for a race ready no holds back rig, their answer to the equation was the MP9. The cost of materials on the MP9 is drastically higher then the 777 SP2 WC. All of the ball joints are now hard anodized 7075 aluminum compared to the old steel ones, from a production and manufacturing stand point this is far more expensive. The chassis is now made out of 7075 aluminum instead of the japanese style aluminum they use on other vehicles. Rather then developing a cast knuckle they supplied some burly CNC ones which cost nearly $90 separately. Essentially, Kyosho answered the demand put forth buy their customers, no everyone is ***************ing about it.

I have seen this in other forms of racing, I seen a guy at a track I use to run go thru 6 chassis in one season, every week it was a complaint that it was always the chassis fault, he finished the season buying the most exspensive chassis on the market, the 2 chassis he had before that were new also and were sold to some guys at the track, the man showed up that weekend bragging about how much he had spent ,and then started to say things like how great it was and how much faster he would be, trying to make himself feel better, and to explain a reason why he just spent 2800.00 on a chassis, well it was a $1000.00 to win race, when it was all over I won the 1000.00 on my 2 year old chassis and the other two chassis that the man had sold were right there with me too the end, after the race I seen his son throw his helmet and again blame it on the chassis, when the whole time it was his father that wouldnt take the time to figure out the setup for what each chassis needed.
Doesnt matter how much you spend, if you dont have a setup.
Kyosho just inflated their price because they knew guys with deep pockets would buy it, and the try to reason with everyone else why they had spent soo much, when the truth is that you could of got a car for a whole lot less and spent the extra on more track time and trying different setups to suit your driving style, copying one of the internet from some pro works for him and may get you close but everyone is different

[scoobie]

John, Kyosho is forgetting one important thing...Yes, the loyal KCar guys asked for a car with CNC knuckles, hex head screws and a few other things (and a split center diff that we didnt get). The thing guys were ***************ing about was that for the price we paid for the old car, it should INCLUDE those items that other more reasonably priced kits came with...

Not to say that the new car isnt great, or that kyosho is ripping people off...I completely understand why the car is so costly. It was bad timing on Kyosho's part.

[JohnCary]

I agree with that whole heartedly. A car with that price tag released when our current economy was making a turn for the worse which is probably why cars like the D8 have been so successful. Talk about releasing a car at the right time with the right price tag.

Have you gotten your MP9 yet scoob?

John, Kyosho is forgetting one important thing...Yes, the loyal KCar guys asked for a car with CNC knuckles, hex head screws and a few other things (and a split center diff that we didnt get). The thing guys were ***************ing about was that for the price we paid for the old car, it should INCLUDE those items that other more reasonably priced kits came with...

Not to say that the new car isnt great, or that kyosho is ripping people off...I completely understand why the car is so costly. It was bad timing on Kyosho's part.

[nitroRCs]

I KNOW FROM THERE PREVIOUSE MODELS THAT KYOSHO DEFINANTELY KNOW WHAT THERE DOING AND WATCHING ONE OF OUR GOOD GUYS RACING A FEW WEEKS AGO HE IS DEFINANTELY DOING ALOT BETTER WITH HIS NEW MP9!

MITCH! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR MATE AND YES ALL CARS WILL BREAK BUT NOT ALL WILL SHATTER!!!!!!:huba:

Micko...u were a OCM team driver and loved the car mate!!!!!!...then u just started using exray:confused:

...i have never seen a OCM shatter and yes i agree...I DEFANETLY got what i payed for...A QUALITY CAR!!!!:shoot:

...i know EXACTLY what happened between u and kev...and no offence mate but u are just saying that about Kev and the fights u and him have been happening...:nono:.,..

...hey mate anyway let me know next meet u will be at albion and ill try and make it :D

[micko]

Micko...u were a OCM team driver and loved the car mate!!!!!!...then u just started using exray:confused:

...i have never seen a OCM shatter and yes i agree...I DEFANETLY got what i payed for...A QUALITY CAR!!!!:shoot:

...i know EXACTLY what happened between u and kev...and no offence mate but u are just saying that about Kev and the fights u and him have been happening...:nono:.,..

...hey mate anyway let me know next meet u will be at albion and ill try and make it :D

Mitch no were in my post did i say i was talking about a OCM the dt-19 range isnt a bad kit mate its a good bang for bucks car and propably alot better than the other crap in that price range but beleive me its not the best! I just said that mate because you were bagging out a car the MP9 wich you have never even seen in real life mate yet alone driven one so how would you know that its not worth $1200 aus. Maybe not for you the noob basher but for the boys that race every weekend this is peanuts to pay for a good kit and yes i was a team driver for OCM but i quit long before what happened between me and Kev and in saying that what happened is yes between me and Kev i dont understand why you like to post that up on all the forums!

[nitroRCs]

ok mike...sorry i thought u were tlkin bout OCM...anyway...i wasnt bagging the MP9 out i was just saying, i know its a great car but i think its a bit much!!...

...i think the OCM could be turned into a MP9 or 808 with all the OCM upgrades also!!!...kev has all the upgrades and is racing MP9s 808s ect ect!!!...actually kev won the australia day cup and beat a MP9 (2nd) and a 808 (ian haley 3rd):D:huba::thumbs:

[micko]

ok mike...sorry i thought u were tlkin bout OCM...anyway...i wasnt bagging the MP9 out i was just saying, i know its a great car but i think its a bit much!!...

...i think the OCM could be turned into a MP9 or 808 with all the OCM upgrades also!!!...kev has all the upgrades and is racing MP9s 808s ect ect!!!...actually kev won the australia day cup and beat a MP9 (2nd) and a 808 (ian haley 3rd):D:huba::thumbs:


Mitch with all the upgrades it will be up close to a grand if not over anyway! so your close to the mp9 and over a 808 in price! were these kits need no upgrades from the box!
yeah kev raced well in the Aus day cup but you cant honestly go off that to say its the best car because it won one small race in sy dney have a look whos winning around the world and at all the big events in Aus!
mate in that race i finnished in 4th place and i even beat wayne walker and mr lander does that mean iam now better than them:confused::nono:
its about consistency mate and what cars are up the top all the time

anyway keep this thread about the MP9